long wheelbase toylander

[max]

I have been watching the other half and the kids playing in the toylander while i have been walking and have decided to make a toylander with a extra row of seats.
now having annoyed everyone for months on here i think that it should be a piece of cake.
1/ would the mdf be Strong enough?
2/ would i need a steel chassis?
3/ would i need a big big motor?

as i am not going to start until spring I'm going to mess about with the sizes until then, any thoughts on the matter would be great

regards
max.
PS. when is the first meeting going to be?

[brian]

Hello Max, if the additional seating is for additional children, then MDF would not be a problem.  All the strength is in the two unbroken sides.

The motor would not need to be necessarily bigger, many builders have built the trailer and towed it with the standard Toylander with a full load in the car and two up in the trailer.

Regards,


Brian.

[Tufty]

ohhhh a TL station wagon.

1/ and 2/ I'd imagine it depends where you have the seats, all between the axles, between and over the back axle etc. (to conform with childrens toys rules all the seats must be within the wheelbase I believe, but this doesn't matter on a private build)
3/ Depends how many you would want to put in there? The larger mobility scooters will easily pull a 18 stone person around with some shopping in the front. You could always get a 8mph scooter and reduce the gearing down to 2:1?

Good luck

Tufty

[multisync]

Hi Max
Go for it
The strength should be ok if you maintain the same basic construction and use full height sides at the extra length. As others have said power is ok as you can pull a trailer with ease. How about a six wheeler?
Providing you have some form of suspension to keep all the rear wheels on the ground.
Walter

[max]

Im going to have a go!!!
what about sizes??

[max]

While she has been watching eastenders and all the rest of the rubbish that women watch, i,ve been playing about with goggle sketch up.
i cant get the arches !!! so you just have to imagine for now!!

[brian]

I would bring the rear wheels further forward if it were mine.

It looks out of ballance and a shorter wheelbase would give a better weight distibution and remove a lot of strain from the side panels.

Just sticking a couple of feet in between the seat and the proposed second seat and keeping the rear wheel arches in the same place does nothing for it's strength or looks.

Just my two pennorth.

Brian.

[markh15]

Hi Max,
I thought you said a 110 ins landy, not a stretched limo!

I think you need to do a bit more research, and have a look and a measure up of a 110.

One point, the rear doors on the 110 are angled at the bottom, and the rear seats are just slightly forward of the rear wheels, this is why your CAD drawing looks so weird.
There is only about 10 ins difference in the lengths of the long and short wheelbase bodies, it's the size of the doors that's deceptive.

Someone who has one will put you (and me) right eventually, mean time, keep thinking!

Regards,
Mark.

[max]

On reflection i think it is to big!!
after talking to Richard today I'm going to have a remeasure!!! . and the size is going to make a difference with the turning circle etc
so then its back to the drawing board but,there will be a long toylander this year!!! the only thing is getting the sizes right to start with.
the good thing about messing about on the comp is it don't cost anything.
any ideas gents???
max

[brian]

I always thought that the 90 and 110 figures refered to the length of the wheelbase in inches??

If that is so, as the T2 as about half full size, then half the difference between the 90 chassis and the 110 chassis would be 10". (250mm)

If you take the 10" as a footwell behind the front seat, and then another bulkhead/seat, and adjust the wheelbase length of the T2 by 10", you should be somewhere in proportion.

I think. 

Regards,

Brian.

[Tufty]

Is the 110 station wagon not a longer body on a 110 chassis?

Maybe not, seems the 'station wagon' bit only applies to the seat layout and interior. There is a bit of info here with some pictures of some 'specials' at the bottom.

http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/defender.html

Tufty

[Joakim]

If you want to build a model of a long wheelbased Land Rover series II it will be named 109 and not 110.

See here for simple drawings of the models:
88"
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/landrover/38167/view/land_rover_88_s2_1968/

109"
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/landrover/9571/view/land_rover_109_s2_hard_top_1969/

I think you maybe will get throuble with second seat row because of motors go behind the front seats. No room for footwell on second row because of motors. 109 was also delievered as a hardtop version without rear sidedoors and with seats rows on both sides facing inwards. Like you already have in the back of your Toylander.

Good luck with our project!

[Joakim]

Or what about a (Defender) 147!
More specs:
http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/newcars/defender147/index.shtml

[markh15]

Hi Max,
Since you first posted this idea, I have been looking at the difference between the LWB and the SWB models.

The 109" wb has a little more panel length between the door and the rear wheelarch (where the rear door would be), and more overhang at the back of the wheelarch to the backpanel.

As Joakim says though, a second row of seats will be right where the motors go, so unless you plan on using a mobility scooter motor / transaxle, and mounting it below the floor pan, then you are heading for problems.

I have no doubt that it can be done, but some 'Lateral' thinking will have to be applied.
Personally, I hope you work it out, I would love to see it at one of the meetings!

Good Luck,
Regards,
mark.

[Joakim]

I was wrong about the motors going behind the front seats.
The motors are connected to the rear axle and will be moved back with the axle for a 109".
I liked the limousine version!