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Secret Project Unvieled
« on: 04 June, 2009, 11:16:12 PM »
Hi Guys,

I was hoping to be a little farther along with this before announcing it, but I feel cruel stringing you all along, so here we go.

As some of you might be aware, I have been looking for another project to get stuck into. I did consider quite a few options, all of which the forum members would fondly remember, but would be lost on the young 'uns.

I did research the 'Toyota BJ 45 Landcruiser' (the older one), but I wanted to get away from the 4 x 4 type of vehicle, and some of the other options were either going to be prohibitively expensive, or really hard to reproduce the body shape.

By pure chance, I thought of this one, and after researching it on the web, decided to go for it, as it looks quite simple to build, yet will be recognisable.

I am going to build a Mini Moke!

The first problem was finding one, as they're not too thick on the ground. So I joined the Moke club forum, and explained my plight, and asked if there was any member within 50 miles of me, willing to let me measure and photograph their Pride and Joy.

To my complete surprise, I got a message from a member offering me access to his Moke, and he only lives about 3 miles away from me!!

A phone call was made, arrangements to view were fixed, and Gary and I went to visit one Saturday.
It turns out that Steve (nice Moke owner), has an 'Austrailian' Moke, and is in the midst of re-building it.
He is quite knowledgable about them, being involved with the Moke club, and gave me loads of information about parts, different models, and even gave me some 'Owners club' literature, and web site addresses to aid in the build.

I have been drawing up scale plans on graph paper, for a couple of weeks now, and have juggled some of the sizes slightly to get the perspective right, but when finished, it will be Half Scale, measuring in at about 5 feet (60 ins) long, by about 27 inches wide, so not much different than the Toylander.

I have transfered these dimensions onto full sized drawings, and just have the floor pan and wing tops to draw up, and most of the major parts are done.

Gary has offered to get some large sheets of stiff cardboard from work, and then we can cut out the panels in this first to work out final assembly and sizes, and then use these as templates, before commiting to timber.

The only thing I am struggling to source are the wheels. To keep the perspective right, they will have to be 6" rims, with an overall diameter not more than 12". I have narrowed it down to two options, either standard scooter wheels (although these are 4" rims), or Quad Bike wheels.
The Quad option is looking favourite at the moment, but it's the width that's the problem, so if I can souce some steel ones, these can be machined and narrowed slightly. I have even found a supplier of 6" tyres, in Black!

So that's it, the cat's out of the bag! :-\

Now all I have to do is build it,

I'll keep you all updated as things progress,
Keep Busy,
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Mark.
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #1 on: 05 June, 2009, 09:03:20 AM »
Nagh then young Mark, dunt thee guh tryin tuh kid us thah were only concerned we agh welfare, thah could,nt wait any longer tuh tell us, agh'll bet thas bin jumpin up an darn we excitement at thort a tellin us ant thah.

Right, well that's the Yorkshire version, well done with the thought processes, you will of course keep us posted ;D

I wish I had a tame workshop operative available to help me, I might be motivated into getting some more done on mine.

All the best,

Brian.
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #2 on: 05 June, 2009, 10:30:14 AM »
Hi Mark
So the covers are off, I can just imagine your new project in all it's glory, gleaming in the Lancashire sunshine, and I wish you the best of luck. If you have any thing that you need help with, you know that you only need to ask.
My Hot rod / dragster / something else project has a pair of scooter wheels that I managed to scrounge. The tyres are marked.
"4.10 / 3.50 - 6", with overall diameter of 12.5 inches, so there are scooters out there with 6 inch rims. Finding 'em may be difficult tho.
Like most scooter types they are split rims, with cast outside and pressed steel inside. I had an idea about reversing them so that the pressed steel shows on the outside, but that's not possible as the cast part won't fit against the hubs. I really need 2 of the inside pressed steel parts, per wheel!
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #3 on: 05 June, 2009, 10:49:51 AM »
Hi Guys,
I know that some of the newer scooters have 6 " wheels, and that they have a little thinner profile, but there are not many being broken on Ebay!

I missed some the other week, a gent down Essex direction was breaking a scooter, but I had to let them go, as he wouldn't post them, and they were a bit too far to collect.

I am going to finish the drawings today, and I think that Gary will let me collect the card tomorrow, so I might be cutting and sticking late next week (Got to re-build the fence in the back garden first).

I am currently tracking four, 6" Quad wheels on Ebay, from a bloke in Stoke on Trent who is breaking several quads, so I may be having a ride out soon to have a look.

I felt that I had to announce my project Brian, as it seemed to be all 'Gas' and 'No Show', and I didn't want people thinking I was just spouting off.
I also didn't want to announce a project that I couldn't come up with, and risk denting my self image again. (you know what I mean)

Ahh well, I'm off to spend the afternoon in the sunshine, sorting Harvey's car and finishing the drawings.

Keep Busy,
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Mark.
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #4 on: 05 June, 2009, 12:27:53 PM »
I know exactly what you mean Mark, do you think we could come up with a goodun from bits from both of us??:D

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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #5 on: 05 June, 2009, 12:39:29 PM »
My Scooter was a Horizon make, which has 6 in wheels. This was an e-bay find, so if there is no rush I'm sure some will be on there eventually!

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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #6 on: 05 June, 2009, 02:05:55 PM »
that sounds really fantastic mark. a "mini mini-moke"   8)
good luck with the project.

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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #7 on: 05 June, 2009, 03:11:08 PM »
Hi Guys,
Thanks for the information and encouragement.

On the drawings I have titled it a 'Minimum Moke', so that's what I think I'll call it! :D

Started the final few drawings earlier, and then the rain came, Soddin' weather!! :-\

Got word from the chap in Stoke, so I'm going to ring him and arrange a meeting, things are looking up!!

Brian asked Walter and I (in a previous post), where we were going to keep all of these models. Gary and I were joking about it the other night, and because I have quite a large back garden, I said that I was going to build a 'Half Scale' double garage in one corner, (but don't tell the wife)! ;)

Regards to All,
Mark.
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #8 on: 05 June, 2009, 08:21:29 PM »
Hi mark i got my tractor wheels from here,  http://www.tyre-rite.co.uk/AllTerraintyres.aspx

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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #9 on: 06 June, 2009, 07:05:30 PM »
Hi Guys,
Quick update,
Went to Stoke on Trent today to look at the quad wheels.

Came home with 4, six inch steel rims (and tyres) and a frame (damaged) complete with all the front steering gear for ?50.

The list has started, project Moke is underway!! ;D ;D

Keep Smiling,
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #10 on: 06 June, 2009, 10:53:08 PM »
the minimum moke is a great name mark.
can't wait to see it's progress it's gonna be so cool. 8)

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Re: Secret Project Wheels
« Reply #11 on: 14 June, 2009, 10:49:52 PM »
Hi Guys,
I thought I'd show you the wheels for the Moke, now I have managed to get the tyres off!!

The tyres off the quad were shot, the tread was well down, the sidewalls were very soft, and there were cracks all over the tyres.

Being split rims, I thought that they'd come apart pretty easy, boy was I wrong!

The tyres were almost 'welded' to the rims, and no amount of squeezing in the vice, hammering the beads with a tyre lever, soaking in WD 40 would shift them, so I took them to my mate's tyre fitting station.
'No problem' he said, 'I'll soon have them off'

Ten minutes of trying, and no joy. Not even the tyre machine could break the beads, because the walls were so soft. Steve even tried a tyre lever and lump hammer, but the rim started to dent, so he gave up, saying that he didn't want to do any more damage.

I eventually got them off with a Stanley Knife and a Hammer and Cold Chisel!!
I cut through the side walls with the knife, and removed the casing. I then scored down to the chords on the rim, and cut them with the Hammer and Chisel.

A little rough I know, but needs must. Even then, the remnants of the tyre didn't want to let go, and had to be pulled away from the metal with some force.

It's not surprising when you see the state of the rims....



Luckily, that's the worst one!

This is the two rims side by side...





Scooter on the left (4"), Quad on the right (6")...

We intend to cut the Quad rims (on the lathe), with the 'Parting Off' tool, where the lines are...



and keep the outer edges.
The inner parts will be junked, as they are a 6 hole centers, and are too big for the scooter hubs.
We will then weld 2 mm thick plates, measuring 6" x 6" to the rims, and re drill the centers to accept the scooter hubs.

Once all the welding and drilling is complete, Gary has said he'll 'Shot Blast' them at work, so they'll be nice when they're repainted.
This should give the appearance of wide 'Steelies', and with 'Black' scooter tyres, should look OK.

Well, that's the state of play so far, the body's next. Hopefully, that should get underway this week, so fingers crossed! ;)

Keep Busy,
Regards,
Mark.
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #12 on: 18 June, 2009, 05:38:31 PM »
Hi Mark

Just got four 13 X 500 6 turf type tyres on Ebay for just under ? 50 for the impending build. The scooter I got hold of was an older type, but a 4/8 MPH one and had the 6" rims.

This is where I got them from http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=400051999419

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« Reply #13 on: 18 June, 2009, 05:55:18 PM »
Hi Powelly, (Sorry can't find your christian name)

Thanks for the information, but Jimmy Bob has already told me about 'Tire-Rite', and I have sourced some 4.10 / 3.50 x 6 tyres from them.

I have also found a mobility scooter tyre dealer not far from me (Preston) who can do 4 new 3.50 x 6 tyres, with tubes, for around ?60.

Like I said, tyres weren't the problem, it was the wheels that were hard to find, as the scooters with 6" rims are few and far between at the moment (because Multisync has snaffled them all for his dragster!!).

Thanks for the 'heads-up' anyway,
Much appreciated,
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Re: Secret Project Unvieled
« Reply #14 on: 18 June, 2009, 06:38:50 PM »
Hi Mark
And yes thats right
I wouldn't want it to be too easy for you
you need a proper project to keep you away from the Toylander
Take care
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